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Post by Khalid Fadil on May 8, 2011 5:22:52 GMT -8
That depends on what you send me my friend! Wait... I thought you'll send me your package first? You wanted me to see how you package your specimens for shipment, remember?
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Post by prillbug2 on May 8, 2011 14:50:56 GMT -8
I attach ecological notes as a third label, along with host plant data, etc. However, in Illinois it's usually oak hickory forest, some prairie--wet or dry, and some conifer forest, which is rare. Plus , most of the forests are secondary or trinary growth, which means that they are not pristine environments, anyway. Most of the time we're navigating around corn, wheat, and other agricultural fields, which are not a hot bed of species diversity. The only exception is the Shawnee National Forest in Southern Illinois, but even that has been logged. So, my ecological notes will usually say secondary oak/hickory, on the label. If I put it on at all. Jeff Prill
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Post by mothman27 on Apr 22, 2020 3:33:34 GMT -8
Perhaps this is somewhere else on the forum but I haven't seen it, at least in a while, but what does Leg. stand for on labels? And Coll.? I use these on my labels without knowing the exact meaning. Is Coll. collection or collector. I have no memory of what Leg. stands for. Perhaps someone can enlighten me. Currently, my labels look like this: UPPER LABEL: - Country(If non-USA), State Abbreviation, County
- More specific location
- Date: DAY-month abbreviation-YEAR
- Collection method and/or any notable conditions
- Leg. whomever I received the specimen from(if applicable)
- Coll. My name
LOWER LABEL - Most applicable scientific name (genus, sp. or ssp.)
- Common name if existent
- Morph/form if applicable
- Sex
Like this:
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Post by Adam Cotton on Apr 22, 2020 4:25:42 GMT -8
"leg." means caught by XXX "Coll." is used to indicate the name of the collection it is/was housed in, so "Coll." means in the collection of YYY and "ex Coll." means from the collection of ZZZ.
Adam.
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Post by Paul K on Apr 22, 2020 5:12:14 GMT -8
I really think you should include USA on your labels, it is very important. You would never know where your specimen could end up in hundred years from now. The same English named cities are all around the world and who will know then what is IN stands for ( sometimes even I am confused). GPS location is also and will be very helpful to point where the species was collected.
There was recently discussion on other forum on origin of Parnassius species which was labeled “ Loggan”, no country. Luckily Bobw knew that Loggan is an old name of Lake Louise in Alberta, Canada.
Also common name is unnecessary to use, unless you have a spare space on your label.
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Post by wolf on Apr 22, 2020 6:24:04 GMT -8
My labels are organised like this: Country, state, county Name of the town/place/area, short description like for example "Along forest path" coordinates and elevation date leg.
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Post by mothman27 on Apr 22, 2020 8:07:14 GMT -8
Than you all for the feedback. I seriously doubt that my labels would be difficult to read with a simple search of "Whitley" and "Union" which provides at least the first page of results pointing to Whitley County and Union Township Indiana where 90% of my specimens are collected. However, Paul K brought up a valid point in that the names of places and abbreviations may change in a hundred years. I had not really considered that. As an extra precaution I will add USA to my labels from now on. I tend to avoid GPS because of the space required on a label and at least here in the Eastern USA the County and Township provides a pretty specific location. I think this is precise enough for most scientific purposes. Out west things are not the same. Does that make sense?
From Wikipedia, "leg. (legit): he or she collected, often followed by the name of the collector"
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Post by kevinkk on Apr 22, 2020 19:38:04 GMT -8
You guys are pretty serious, or maybe it's me. I'm doing it all wrong apparently. I list specimen name, location if caught as an adult, and the date. Others get the x-ova, x-cocoon. I keep a notebook, but it's for rearing, with eclosion dates, egg laying, hatching, spinning/pupation.
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Post by trehopr1 on Apr 22, 2020 21:34:13 GMT -8
Hi Tim, I'm a little late to this thread but I wanted to mention that I have used "leg." since I was eight or nine years old. I never liked the abbreviation of "Coll." in front of my name because I have always felt that this could have two meanings to different people. As Adam pointed out one version of that abbreviation means Collection of T.Loeffler. however, another interpretation might be Collector T.Loeffler. So that abbreviation is the problem I see and you wouldn't want somebody down the road thinking that EVERYTHING in your collection was collected by you. So therefore "leg." is most appropriate in indicating who actually collected the item. I would also stay away from the use of common names on any additional labels you might use. I would use only the scientific name of the item and your determination underneath that to indicate that you were the one who determined the species of that insect. If someone else determines the species of an insect for you you put their name there instead. Below, is an example.
Nymphalis antiopa det.T.Loeffler or
Papilio glaucus det.J.P.Jones
Also, you need not put a sex determination on the label either as this is extraneous information and is not always so "black and white" so to speak with every species... These are merely suggestions on my part and ultimately you will decide what you prefer best.
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Post by Paul K on Apr 23, 2020 5:57:11 GMT -8
Actually by the standard if Tim will include before his name “coll.” It will look like nothing was caught by him only it’s in his collection. I think Adam was specifying this clearly as collector could be interpreted two ways, by saying catcher “leg.” there is no mistake who caught the specimen.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Apr 23, 2020 6:25:18 GMT -8
The top line of my labels is a box with 'A. M. Cotton Coll.' in it. In future anyone who obtains one of my specimens, or if the collection goes to a museum and someone who examines one, will know that the specimen was previously housed in my collection. There is a box with the name I identified the specimen below it, and the bottom half of the label contains the specimen data including the catcher's name + 'leg.' if known, or the name of the person who I bought it from or who gave it to me (eg. 'ex Hasan' if I bought it from the well known Indonesian dealer) and the date of capture at the bottom.
NOTE: Never copy data from old label(s) and throw it/them away. If you make your own label for an old specimen you should just pin the new label under the old one(s). The old label is part of the specimen historical data (for instance if handwritten it contains a clue to the previous owner).
Adam.
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Post by mothman27 on Apr 23, 2020 7:11:16 GMT -8
The top line of my labels is a box with 'A. M. Cotton Coll.' in it. In future anyone who obtains one of my specimens, or if the collection goes to a museum and someone who examines one, will know that the specimen was previously housed in my collection. There is a box with the name I identified the specimen below it, and the bottom half of the label contains the specimen data including the catcher's name + 'leg.' if known, or the name of the person who I bought it from or who gave it to me (eg. 'ex Hasan' if I bought it from the well known Indonesian dealer) and the date of capture at the bottom. NOTE: Never copy data from old label(s) and throw it/them away. If you make your own label for an old specimen you should just pin the new label under the old one(s). The old label is part of the specimen historical data (for instance if handwritten it contains a clue to the previous owner). Adam. So if you have a specimen in your collection which you collected do you include both Coll. and Leg. with your name?
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Post by jshuey on Apr 23, 2020 7:55:51 GMT -8
The top line of my labels is a box with 'A. M. Cotton Coll.' in it. In future anyone who obtains one of my specimens, or if the collection goes to a museum and someone who examines one, will know that the specimen was previously housed in my collection. There is a box with the name I identified the specimen below it, and the bottom half of the label contains the specimen data including the catcher's name + 'leg.' if known, or the name of the person who I bought it from or who gave it to me (eg. 'ex Hasan' if I bought it from the well known Indonesian dealer) and the date of capture at the bottom. [Adam. So if you have a specimen in your collection which you collected do you include both Coll. and Leg. with your name? Hi Tim, Here's how I've started to deal with this issue. Given the versatility of modern printers, I record the classic label data on top, and the egocentric information on the bottom of each label. I only to this for material collected by other people. I feel that it's enough for people to know that I collected the specimen. But for the material that others collected, I do want the museum that gets all this stuff to know from where it came. Hence the egocentric bottom of the label... FYI - this is an described Psoralis from Peru. John
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Post by Adam Cotton on Apr 23, 2020 8:19:35 GMT -8
Yes, I include 'A. M. Cotton leg.' above the date of capture in the lower half of the label, as well as the standard 'A. M. Cotton Coll.' in its box at the top.
Adam.
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Post by leptraps on Apr 23, 2020 9:38:32 GMT -8
I know that someplace years ago on Insectnet that this topic was thoroughly discussed with lots of illustrations.
I began using GPS locations on all my labels in 1999 or 2000. I acquired a hand held GPS. However, the accuracy left much to be desired. I am on my third smart phone. The new satellites are accurate to within 10 to 12 feet.
There are numerous app for GPS. I have noticed a + or - on my App base on distortions in the atmospher.
I check my Bait Trap locations on my GPS AP every year. It always differs from year to year. But only by an extremely small fraction.
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