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Post by damoose on Jul 18, 2012 12:24:30 GMT -8
Laode Nahrrudin is an Indonesian scammer working with someone who has stolen Basuki Ongkos name and a Drs. Fahrul Ode (P.T. Wana Lestari Bumi Indah Permai). These scammers work together to target the insect trade specifically. BEWARE
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Post by bichos on Jul 19, 2012 0:36:05 GMT -8
"Take great care" Do not buy or attempt to buy Cites 1 specimens, full stop.
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Post by putangitangi on Jul 26, 2012 20:05:41 GMT -8
Hi,
There have been reports of O. alexandrae occuring along the PNG/Irian Jaya border which is a long way from its natural habitat near Popondetta PNG. This seems to be an effort to circumvent the Cites ban probably by naming new subspecies and because of the people involved and their shoddy 'scientific research' it is obviously a canard. However, there is no way to prove this occurence without collecting specimens and no specimens can be legally collected regardless of what subspecies it might be. A sort of 'Catch 22' situation.
Putangittangi
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Post by mldov1959 on Feb 26, 2014 12:36:33 GMT -8
Speaking of O. alexandrae, several months ago I saw a female Ornithoptera "goliath" that was labeled as "Huge" and was selling for $1500, intial auction price, on Ebay. It was a somewhat old and ugly looking specimen at that. This was when I first started collecting Ornithoptera. I saw the ad and naively thought that the Ebay seller was "out of his mind" with trying to take advantage of buyers with that price. When I saw that it did sell, I started thinking and quickly went to Nagypal's website...I confirmed that it was, as you guessed, a female O. Alexandriae. My question is how can someone buy a CITES-I butterfly like that and not get caught (and I am NOT asking because I plan to buy one)  |
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Post by hewi on Feb 26, 2014 13:47:02 GMT -8
if I remember right, he had offered it in Polish ebay,
although he himself was located in Greece !!!
Manfred
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Post by mantisboy on Feb 26, 2014 18:56:07 GMT -8
Yeah, I put it in my 'watch list' to see what the result was and somebody actually bid on it too!
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Post by Zacatak on Feb 26, 2014 23:09:55 GMT -8
easy to see that these photo's of the specimens are indeed fake. look at the female for example, no goliath or alexandrae for that matter has forewings that sharp to a pointed edge. more realistically rounded. they also look very papered-like in appearance. should be no question to the authenticity of these so called real specimens lol
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Post by stapleton on Feb 27, 2014 8:16:29 GMT -8
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Post by joee30 on Mar 22, 2014 16:11:12 GMT -8
Looks like you got played, man! Nahruddin has def played you. Lessons of the day, research the "traders" that offer you nice bugs are rare species for a bargain, and don't go and get played trying to buy illegal CITES specimens.
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Post by nomad on Mar 23, 2014 1:29:47 GMT -8
The occurrence of O. alexandrae far outside its normal range would be a dream come true, but that's all it is, a dream. Put out their to temp you to buy illegal and fake specimens by Indo scammers, but if you buy Cities one specimens you may get burnt. Interestingly, scammers have been around since the very start of insect collecting and they will always be there to plague the entomological community.  |
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