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Post by mothman27 on Sept 1, 2019 6:33:02 GMT -8
Just curious, When traveling long distances for collecting purposes how do you guys find your collecting locations such as tapping locations?
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Post by mothman27 on Sept 1, 2019 6:41:16 GMT -8
Two weeks ago I went through all of my drawers and put new deterrents in them as well as photographed each one. Here are my pinned Catocala.
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Post by rayrard on Sept 1, 2019 11:04:56 GMT -8
Do you have names for all of them? I assume you haven't made nametags for all of them yet like the cerogama, junctura, illecta, whitneyi, andromedae and amestris on the second image. You have a couple crataegi next to the dulciola and a single coccinata next to the caras. Looks like a minuta on the very bottom right
Things that may need to be checked
1. The palaeogama look quite small and the two on the right look like C. habilis 2. The obscura is another robinsoni. C. obscura is very plain and uniform 3. Did you check the legs and sex for the subnata. They have basal dashes which female subnata have but males don't. They could be neogama 4. Not sure if the alabamae are praeclara (these are similar
Nice collection though. I'd love to collect some of those rarer midwestern species!
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Post by mothman27 on Sept 1, 2019 19:04:13 GMT -8
Do you have names for all of them? I assume you haven't made nametags for all of them yet like the cerogama, junctura, illecta, whitneyi, andromedae and amestris on the second image. You have a couple crataegi next to the dulciola and a single coccinata next to the caras. Looks like a minuta on the very bottom right Things that may need to be checked 1. The palaeogama look quite small and the two on the right look like C. habilis 2. The obscura is another robinsoni. C. obscura is very plain and uniform 3. Did you check the legs and sex for the subnata. They have basal dashes which female subnata have but males don't. They could be neogama 4. Not sure if the alabamae are praeclara (these are similar Nice collection though. I'd love to collect some of those rarer midwestern species! Thanks for the input. Most I do have identifications for. You are correct on the crataegi, coccinata and minuta. Also, bottom left are ilia(fairly obvious). In the next case are andromedae, illecta, amestris, nuptialis, whitneyi, abbreviatella, lacrymosa, epione, junctura, cerogama, hermia and I think meskei(maybe another junctura?). 1. You may be right I was never able to determine between those two species. They're probably all habilis then. 2. Thanks, I was unaware. Probably just being a female threw me off. 3. I am fairly sure I have them determined correctly. In my experience the subnata are slightly more grey on their forewings(I have found more than two and they all look relatively similar). The neogama seem to be more boldly marked and darker. I will have to check the legs like you said. I have checked the versos as mentioned in I think last year's thread they can sometimes be determined that way. 4. Could be, I can't find a reliable determining factor between the two. Still have to pin my retecta, flebilis, micronympha and amica. Thanks again, Tim
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Post by rayrard on Sept 1, 2019 21:16:01 GMT -8
I am surprised you don't have palaeogama and vidua. Those are super common in the northeast.
Subnata is one of the hardest for me to tell. The ones I have are very pallid and big but I've seen a lot of specimens in images I can't tell apart by gestalt.
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Post by rayrard on Sept 1, 2019 21:19:33 GMT -8
I put out a sheet and ran bait a couple nights ago. Multiples at the sheet which is odd for these species.
C. vidua - 3 light and bait C. residua - 1 light C. retecta - 1 light C. epione - 1 light (worn) C. obscura - 1 light C. amatrix - 1 bait C. ultronia - 2 bait C. ilia - 1 light C. neogama/subnata - 1 light (can't tell these apart)
Tonight I put out a short bait trail and had one ilia.
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Post by mothman27 on Sept 2, 2019 5:01:31 GMT -8
I am surprised you don't have palaeogama and vidua. Those are super common in the northeast. Subnata is one of the hardest for me to tell. The ones I have are very pallid and big but I've seen a lot of specimens in images I can't tell apart by gestalt. I do have vidua in the second drawer top right. Palaeogama, no.
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Post by rayrard on Sept 2, 2019 10:13:00 GMT -8
oops, I overlooked those as retecta
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Post by leptraps on Sept 2, 2019 12:12:53 GMT -8
Did you collect the Catocala nuptialis, whitneyi and abbreviatella near your home. I found Catocala nuptialis and abbreviatella in the Iroquois County WMA in NE Illinois. I have collected Catocala whitneyi in South Dakota.
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Post by joniverson on Sept 2, 2019 15:25:43 GMT -8
I put out a sheet and ran bait a couple nights ago..... I'm going to do this in the next week or so. I have a 175W MV security light that I am going to mount. My only concern is whether or not UV glasses need to be worn?
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Post by bugboys3 on Sept 3, 2019 9:25:08 GMT -8
The collecting season for Catocala has been excellent all year. Last week I added C. habilis, cara, amica, lineela (new species for me) and a innubens form scintillans. I am up to 27 speccies this year in the back yard in Southern Wisconsin. This past Labor Day Weekend we were in Douglas County (far NW Wisconsin) with my family. We rented a house in the woods. I hung the bait trap and set up my 400 watt metal halide light and 30 watt black light. I was amazed at the amount of Catocala that came to the lights in the 2 nights. I kept what I think is a worn C. briseus, 4 cerogama, 6 concumbens, 6-8 unijuga and 15-20 relictas. At one point the last night there were 20 relicta on the sheet.
My 3 kids have all collected with me over the years. What was surprising was my oldest son's fiance had a blast watching what was coming in. She said this is so much fun. She never had done much "nature stuff" when she was a kid.
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Post by rayrard on Sept 3, 2019 10:02:51 GMT -8
I am still at 39 species but I hope to add one more in the next week as I have two more collecting nights to work with. I also hope to get some Papaipema.
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Post by bugboys3 on Sept 3, 2019 11:01:45 GMT -8
Here is a picture of the melanistic C. neogama I collected this summer. The one below is a normal neogama for reference.
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Post by rayrard on Sept 4, 2019 0:45:42 GMT -8
Got my 40 species for the year with a relicta among a few concumbens, an ultronia, and a beat up grynea (?)
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Post by fishnbugz on Sept 5, 2019 17:53:34 GMT -8
I had a big maestosa in a bait trap a couple nights ago, and one I'm not quite sure on, it may be a smallish junctura or an odd-looking luciana. I'll post a picture when it's set... I had an innubens last night, probably the latest I've ever seen that species here. I'm still seeing a few parta and neogama in the last week too, a few meskei and piatrix, and always plenty of amatrix. Still hoping for relicta to show...I didn't get coccinata or abbreviatella this year, but I added 3 new species to the list in '19 that had not been documented here before.
I've used all the bait I froze last year, but my trees are loaded with apples and I was able to grab a couple gallons of wild plums- so I won't miss a night for what will be the last few weeks of catocala season here. I own or have access to lots of fruit trees(apples, pears, peaches), which covers about 2/3 of my moth bait- often just with the "drops" or fallen and bug-ate stuff, and then I buy and freeze bananas whenever I see them cheap to cover the other 1/3. I've got a lot more confidence in the bait "with" bananas, but I have used only fermented apple bait in a pinch and it seemed to still work.
I caught a freakish neogama last year, should be a picture of it in last year's catocala thread if anyone wants to see it. Most seasons I see several forms here from very clear forewings to some pretty close to what you got there, but there haven't been as many neogama as usual this year.
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