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Post by joachim on Jul 2, 2018 13:42:01 GMT -8
Helo all, I have 2 Papilio where I am not what species they are. They are from an old collection ( 1974 ) and have no data. The first one I believe it is Papilio polyctor. here is the upper side. Attachments:
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Post by joachim on Jul 2, 2018 13:43:11 GMT -8
Here the underside. It could be from Indonesia ( Java ? ) Thanks Attachments:
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Post by joachim on Jul 2, 2018 13:44:25 GMT -8
The othe rone could be either from Palawan or from Java. But I am not sure. Papilio Karna?? Attachments:
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Post by joachim on Jul 2, 2018 13:45:20 GMT -8
And, fianally the under side- Thanks for help. Joachim Attachments:
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Post by joachim on Jul 2, 2018 13:47:13 GMT -8
Ha, and Adam will laught at such a simple question.....
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jul 3, 2018 3:15:12 GMT -8
Joachim,
The first specimen appears to be Papilio bianor kotoensis male from Lan Yu Islands SE of Taiwan. Please note that polyctor is a subspecies of Papilio bianor from NW India and Pakistan, not a separate species. Papilio bianor does not occur anywhere in Indonesia, so it can't be from there.
The second one seems to be Papilio paris gedeensis from West Java, but it is difficult to be absolutely certain from the photos. The wingspan should be about 8cm across, Papilio karna is slightly larger but the underside is not like this specimen.
Adam.
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Post by joachim on Jul 3, 2018 12:01:25 GMT -8
Hello,
thanks for your help. Anyway, when I look at I see a difference to Papilio bianor Lan Yu Islands and I cannot remember to have gotten species from there. ( The old collection is mine when I was very young , haha)
Could it be bianor from Taiwan itself?
best wishes Joachim
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jul 4, 2018 0:43:47 GMT -8
I can't open your weblink, my browser says: This site can’t provide a secure connection www.butterflycorner.net uses an unsupported protocol. ERR_SSL_VERSION_OR_CIPHER_MISMATCH The client and server don't support a common SSL protocol version or cipher suite. This is likely to be caused when the server needs RC4, which is no longer considered secure. Papilio bianor thrasymedes from Taiwan itself is very different, no green band on the forewings and a darker hindwing. This butterfly ONLY occurs on Lan Yu, which is an island that belongs to Taiwan. Taiwanese insect dealers have them for sale. Adam.
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Post by joachim on Jul 4, 2018 0:46:14 GMT -8
Hi,
then try
butterflycorner.net and search for Papilio bianor.
thanks Joachim
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Post by joachim on Jul 7, 2018 6:21:34 GMT -8
Thanks for your help. Adam, is there anything about Papilio what you do ot know? It seems you are a living dictionary .
best wishes from Göttingen
Joachim
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jul 7, 2018 8:42:42 GMT -8
Joachim,
Thanks for the compliment, but in reality there is still a lot for me to learn about Papilio and Papilionidae, that's what makes it so interesting.
Adam.
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