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Post by ornithorchid on Feb 25, 2017 7:02:13 GMT -8
Hello everyone. The LA bug fair is upcoming in May 2017.
Just wondering if anyone been there for purchase purposes?
Are there decent amount of coleoptera and butterflies for sale? Good quality and uncommon stuff?
Please let me know, if you have photos of previous years, posting them would be great!
Just don't want to travel to the West Coast and be disappointed at the end of the day.
Thank you guys.
Emmanuel
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Post by Paul K on Feb 25, 2017 7:33:23 GMT -8
Add few hundred dollars on air fare and go to Paris or Modena, you won't be disappointed for sure.
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Post by ornithorchid on Feb 25, 2017 7:39:17 GMT -8
Modena has it twice a year. Is there a season better than the other one (regarding selection)?
Thank you,
Emmanuel
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Post by nomihoudai on Feb 25, 2017 10:52:20 GMT -8
Leaving the US for a bugfair would result in (probably too much) work for the import of stuff. I have not been to LA bug fair yet, but plan to do so some day.
Internationally, I would probably only recommend Frankfurt bug wise, and Paris for the extra city sightseeing.
I wouldn't really recommend Modena. It is not as big as the other fairs, and most sellers can be found in Frankfurt or Paris. The only thing you might miss out on is very specialized things and some local Italian traders. The language barrier took out a lot of the fun for me.
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Post by nomad on Feb 26, 2017 1:43:28 GMT -8
Modena has it twice a year. Is there a season better than the other one (regarding selection)? Thank you, Emmanuel Go to the one in April, I been twice from England  There were traders there that were not at Juvisy from Austria and Italy. Juvisy is the largest World Fair. Never been to Frankfurt, but many dealers frequent all these fairs. |
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Post by Adam Cotton on Feb 26, 2017 7:26:29 GMT -8
Leaving the US for a bugfair would result in (probably too much) work for the import of stuff. I have not been to LA bug fair yet, but plan to do so some day. I was told by an American that if you carry NON PROTECTED dead dried specimens for PERSONAL USE ONLY back from a trip abroad (as opposed to have them posted to you) then there is no paperwork necessary. He told me this about 8 years ago, and I believe he knew what he was talking about as he showed me photocopies of the regulations which he always carried with him in case he was stopped by customs. It is possible the regulations have changed since then though. Adam. |
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Post by exoticimports on Feb 27, 2017 5:57:17 GMT -8
Leaving the US for a bugfair would result in (probably too much) work for the import of stuff. I have not been to LA bug fair yet, but plan to do so some day. I was told by an American that if you carry NON PROTECTED dead dried specimens for PERSONAL USE ONLY back from a trip abroad (as opposed to have them posted to you) then there is no paperwork necessary. He told me this about 8 years ago, and I believe he knew what he was talking about as he showed me photocopies of the regulations which he always carried with him in case he was stopped by customs. It is possible the regulations have changed since then though. Adam. Filling out the form 3-177 and declaring is required, always has. The "personal use" bit is vague and has been interpreted different ways by USFWS. If one is going to do this, I suggest contacting the USFWS at the airport of entry, talk to somebody there to get them to agree and keep notes. That way when you declare and have the inspection you can say "I spoke with Mr. Jones who said..." |
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Post by jshuey on Feb 27, 2017 6:23:33 GMT -8
I was told by an American that if you carry NON PROTECTED dead dried specimens for PERSONAL USE ONLY back from a trip abroad (as opposed to have them posted to you) then there is no paperwork necessary. He told me this about 8 years ago, and I believe he knew what he was talking about as he showed me photocopies of the regulations which he always carried with him in case he was stopped by customs. It is possible the regulations have changed since then though. Adam. Filling out the form 3-177 and declaring is required, always has. The "personal use" bit is vague and has been interpreted different ways by USFWS. If one is going to do this, I suggest contacting the USFWS at the airport of entry, talk to somebody there to get them to agree and keep notes. That way when you declare and have the inspection you can say "I spoke with Mr. Jones who said..." Indeed. And regardless of what "Mr. Jones" says on the phone - I would almost expect to be asked to produce copies of the permits under which specimens were collected when passing through customs... . I think that this is a bit of a gamble for anyone thinking that can buy in the EU and then just jet home. j |
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Post by Paul K on Feb 27, 2017 8:27:21 GMT -8
Sorry Emmanuel, I forgot you live in USA. What a freedom country as they say...  |
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Post by ornithorchid on Feb 27, 2017 15:29:52 GMT -8
Sorry Emmanuel, I forgot you live in USA. What a freedom country as they say...  YEA right! Might be worth heading back to France anyway and do the Juvisy fair! Long time overdue. Emmanuel |
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Post by exoticimports on Feb 28, 2017 6:22:49 GMT -8
Filling out the form 3-177 and declaring is required, always has. The "personal use" bit is vague and has been interpreted different ways by USFWS. If one is going to do this, I suggest contacting the USFWS at the airport of entry, talk to somebody there to get them to agree and keep notes. That way when you declare and have the inspection you can say "I spoke with Mr. Jones who said..." Indeed. And regardless of what "Mr. Jones" says on the phone - I would almost expect to be asked to produce copies of the permits under which specimens were collected when passing through customs... . I think that this is a bit of a gamble for anyone thinking that can buy in the EU and then just jet home. j Doh! Good point! Technically, one would need accompanying export permits from every country of origin, unless they are captive bred in the country of purchase, in which case that would appear on the 3-177. Since the importer completes the 3-177, it could be falsified, so I would definitely suggest a receipt from the seller stating they are captive bred (farmed is the correct word.) Even in this case one would need an export permit from the country of purchase. So despite it seeming easy- just bring them in and declare for personal use- that will not pass USFWS examination that meets the letter of the law. If you bring them into USA and don't pre-arrange a USFWS examination (ie. just show them to the Customs guy) you can probably get them through- but if Customs calls USFWS you will lose your specimens, or at least have them impounded (for which there is a charge by the airline if you're flying.) If you DO bring them in as personal property and try to comply with USFWS laws, you'll have to call USFWS ahead of time to arrange for an inspection. This inspection has to be at a major port of entry where USFWS has an office. But the important problems start here- first they'll ask for your license number, and when you don't have one, they'll tell you no import. You'll have to be able to cite CFR to educate them. Then they'll tell you there's a fee- better be ready on that CFR as well. Then they'll tell you they can't make it, so you'll have to have your specimens impounded for later inspection at an expense well over $200- you'll have to be able to cite CFR concerning importation of sensitive specimens for later examination. That's why when I was importing I got ALL the permits- and I still got hassled by USFWS. I carried the appropriate CFR with me when hand-carrying specimens. That's also why most (if not all) USFWS licensees skirt some of the laws, and why individuals don't bother with any of it. That's also why you pay top dollar for specimens from US dealers- because they've spent a bloody fortune and gone through a lot of hassle to get those specimens. Chuck |
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Post by Paul K on Feb 28, 2017 7:29:53 GMT -8
Indeed. And regardless of what "Mr. Jones" says on the phone - I would almost expect to be asked to produce copies of the permits under which specimens were collected when passing through customs... . I think that this is a bit of a gamble for anyone thinking that can buy in the EU and then just jet home. j Doh! Good point! Technically, one would need accompanying export permits from every country of origin, unless they are captive bred in the country of purchase, in which case that would appear on the 3-177. Since the importer completes the 3-177, it could be falsified, so I would definitely suggest a receipt from the seller stating they are captive bred (farmed is the correct word.) Even in this case one would need an export permit from the country of purchase. So despite it seeming easy- just bring them in and declare for personal use- that will not pass USFWS examination that meets the letter of the law. If you bring them into USA and don't pre-arrange a USFWS examination (ie. just show them to the Customs guy) you can probably get them through- but if Customs calls USFWS you will lose your specimens, or at least have them impounded (for which there is a charge by the airline if you're flying.) If you DO bring them in as personal property and try to comply with USFWS laws, you'll have to call USFWS ahead of time to arrange for an inspection. This inspection has to be at a major port of entry where USFWS has an office. But the important problems start here- first they'll ask for your license number, and when you don't have one, they'll tell you no import. You'll have to be able to cite CFR to educate them. Then they'll tell you there's a fee- better be ready on that CFR as well. Then they'll tell you they can't make it, so you'll have to have your specimens impounded for later inspection at an expense well over $200- you'll have to be able to cite CFR concerning importation of sensitive specimens for later examination. That's why when I was importing I got ALL the permits- and I still got hassled by USFWS. I carried the appropriate CFR with me when hand-carrying specimens. That's also why most (if not all) USFWS licensees skirt some of the laws, and why individuals don't bother with any of it. That's also why you pay top dollar for specimens from US dealers- because they've spent a bloody fortune and gone through a lot of hassle to get those specimens. Chuck Holy $hit !!! That is complete non sense. |
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Post by damoose on Feb 28, 2017 12:50:31 GMT -8
The situation with Alex Bic is a perfect example of why not to try bringing specimens into the US in your luggage. The USFWS slam dunked Alex for doing it. I have heard conflicting reports regarding whether or not he had the proper paperwork. I too, am hoping to attend the LA Bug Fair at some point just to see what it is all about.
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Post by willyomt on Mar 1, 2017 1:39:09 GMT -8
The L.A. Bug Fair is a place to go to both purchase and learn about insects. There are numerous dealers who sell all kinds of insects and other invertebrates and paraphernalia. This year's Bug Fair will again be at the Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County on May 20th and 21st. I went for the first time last year, and it is a VERY well attended event. There are rows and rows of vendors and displays with all kinds of beetles, butterflies, moths, tarantulas, etc., etc. There are also more familiar dealers of insects and related products. Pretty much something for everyone.
I know this thread kinda veered away from the original question posted, so I hope this helps. I have been told that the L.A. fair is the largest one in the States.
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Post by exoticimports on Mar 1, 2017 13:19:39 GMT -8
Paul, I'm hoping you mean the process and requirements are nonsense, not my sharing. :-)
PS I'm still looking forward to getting those Cornell Drawers from you so don't forget!
Chuck
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There were traders there that were not at Juvisy from Austria and Italy. Juvisy is the largest World Fair. Never been to Frankfurt, but many dealers frequent all these fairs.
YEA right!
