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Post by africaone on May 17, 2015 22:41:35 GMT -8
from eBay
a female of antimachus for sale. The seller has probably been abused by his African provider as the female presented is a probably male with forewings cut to make like a female (Central Africa is the world's best place for such bad behaviour).
I warned the seller to verify some details (to be sure 100 % sure) who is probably a victim of a scammer
Thierry
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Post by johnnyboy on May 17, 2015 23:22:23 GMT -8
Yes, the tips and front margin of the forewings look like they have cut short with scissors, a crude attempt to deceive. I have also seen ads where male P. antimachus have been photographed at an oblique angle to shorten the wings in the image and claim they are females.
Surely these scams would only fool the most ignorant collectors.
Johnny
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Post by simosg on May 18, 2015 0:10:07 GMT -8
Probably a transvestit?
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Post by Zacatak on May 18, 2015 3:45:36 GMT -8
Johnny is right, the forewings have been cut short to resemble a female with shorter wings, also the abdomen is a give away if the claspers are present, personally it was the cut wings that I noticed first, it doesn't look natural no matter how close they have tried to resemble it to being natural.
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Post by Adam Cotton on May 18, 2015 6:36:43 GMT -8
On the eBay listing there is an underside photo of the 'female'. It does not have claspers, but they could well have been removed, the resolution of the photo is not high enough to see clearly. Of course it could also be a real female abdomen (removed from a battered specimen) glued onto a male.
Adam.
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Post by Adam Cotton on May 18, 2015 8:46:33 GMT -8
A member of another forum pointed out there that the male and female of Papilio antimachus differ on the discal area of the forewing underside. The male has a row of large white spots running parallel to the forewing cell, whereas in the female they are orange.
The female pictured in Butterflies of the World part 42, The ABRI Collections I Papilionidae, also does not have white discal spots on the underside of the forewing, and the underside of the bilateral gynandromorph on the same plate differs similarly between the two sides.
Guess what ... the eBay "female" does have these discal white spots, therefore it MUST be a fake.
Adam.
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Post by africaone on May 18, 2015 21:38:47 GMT -8
I just received the answer from the eBay seller, he verified his specimen. He was abused by his provider. He is not happy  |
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Post by africanentomology on May 20, 2015 6:21:32 GMT -8
It's the second times in some months that Papilio antimachus male is sold as a female on Ebay.....
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Post by Adam Cotton on May 20, 2015 8:49:45 GMT -8
It's the second times in some months that Papilio antimachus male is sold as a female on Ebay..... Yes, but this time the seller has done the right thing and withdrawn the item from auction. Adam. |
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Post by papiliotheona on Jun 5, 2015 20:27:49 GMT -8
Serious question: do crude fakes have any "novelty" value? I've heard of fake gynos being made with scissors and glue, etc.
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Post by africaone on Jun 5, 2015 22:43:11 GMT -8
artistic value .. may be for one interested by such things ! tastes and colors are everywhere ....  there are not collector scientific or stamp mimics collector  |
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Post by wingedwishes on Jun 7, 2015 5:49:01 GMT -8
artistic value .. may be for one interested by such things ! tastes and colors are everywhere .... there are not collector scientific or stamp mimics collector Even for artistic value though, ethically, one must still identify it as altered. |
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Post by joee30 on Jun 8, 2015 14:21:22 GMT -8
What are male Papilio antimachus running for this days price wise?
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Post by africaone on Jun 8, 2015 21:51:04 GMT -8
What are male Papilio antimachus running for this days price wise? normal price run around 10-15 € |
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Post by joee30 on Jun 9, 2015 18:57:56 GMT -8
Africaone- That's not that bad at all. I always wanted a Papilio rex, but they always seem somewhat pricey.
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