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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2015 13:02:04 GMT -8
After selling coleoptera now for several years, I'm amazed at just how many different variations in colour come from Mecynorhina ugandensis. This has to be number one in the charts when it comes to different variations. Even when they are not captive bred, in the wild they still come in many forms. can anyone else think of another that tops this species?
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Post by paulbodnar1 on Apr 13, 2015 11:20:54 GMT -8
I would like to say the subspecies(Ornithoptera priamus poseidon)for butterflies would have to be a contender. Not only are males and females dimorphic, but many forms/variation within each sex are described. The species (Ornithoptera priamus)has an even greater amount if looked as a whole.
Truly,
Paul Bodnar
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Post by Adam Cotton on Apr 13, 2015 12:35:06 GMT -8
I would like to say the subspecies(Ornithoptera priamus poseidon)for butterflies would have to be a contender. Not only are males and females dimorphic, but many forms/variation within each sex are described. The species (Ornithoptera priamus)has an even greater amount if looked as a whole. Truly, Paul Bodnar is even more variable, with strong sexual dimorphism and females that can have tails and an orange abdomen or be tailless with a black abdomen, and huge variation in female colour pattern within the same subspecies, never mind between subspecies. Adam. |
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Post by obiwankenobi55555 on Apr 13, 2015 23:54:38 GMT -8
I fully agree with Adam. Memnon is king of variability and other species like lysithous, aegeus and etc. can immediately hide in this point.
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Post by bichos on Apr 14, 2015 3:37:21 GMT -8
Phalacrognathus muelleri is now ever more variable with breeders producing new colour forms. Why oh why do most peeps here end up discussing those horrible scaly things?  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2015 18:17:34 GMT -8
 Interesting topic.... While any of the mentioned species may, in fact, be THE most highly variable, I sort of agree about M. ugandensis. All the specimens below the first row in my pic are male and there is quite the variation. There is even quite the wide color forms of the females (top row) making both genders widely variable. While priamus and memnon are indeed variable, they tend to resemble the general color/patterns of the species phenotypically...and mainly having variation primarily with one gender. Now, take these guys(M.ugandensis)....all the same species, but with a wide wide variation of color and patterns in the elytra. And, while breeders may be creating different color forms, I tend to be a purist and prefer to compare only naturally occuring variation. Bear in mind that I used to have many drawers of the priamus group with many many variations and I even once had one of the super-created golden O. priamus euphorian pairs. So,I just tend to now stick with the natural variations. Someone is sure to come along and prove me wrong, but for now....I'm with stringer. Respectfully, Bill |
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Post by bichos on Apr 15, 2015 3:35:56 GMT -8
 How about these bad boys??? |
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Post by bichos on Apr 15, 2015 3:38:19 GMT -8
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Post by nomihoudai on Apr 15, 2015 5:54:44 GMT -8
Baronia brevicornis  Aren't they just simple extensions or retractions of the black spots? If you bring in Betta splendens I would raise by Poecilia reticulata, Guppy. |
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Post by trehopr1 on Apr 15, 2015 11:12:10 GMT -8
Wow, that's quite an incredible gene pool on M. ugandensis, L. aurata, and P. memnon.....
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Post by nosorog on Apr 15, 2015 12:06:11 GMT -8
Wow, that's quite an incredible gene pool on M. ugandensis, L. aurata, and P. memnon..... Aren't those actually Lamprima adolphinae? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 14:56:54 GMT -8
I can understand a collector wanting different colour variations of one species in their collections, and here I refer to such specimens as M.ugandensis. to anyone looking at a draw full of ugandensis with totally different colours, and not knowing anything about entomology, would think that they were all a totally different species. But I see many collectors of butterflys with drawers full of one species, with only slight differences in colouration or pattern. As a "collector" would it be more feasible to collect the male and female of each family in seperate family drawers? If you found a total opposit of a male and female that you have in a collection (massivly different in colour) then by all means, add to the collection.
I would like to hear your views and wonder why you guys do this? For one, it must take some huge amount of space up in your cabinets. And yes I know, to try and collect every seperate specimen of butterfly would be near impossible. And two, maybe it's because some collectors will only collect one species of butterfly.
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Pete
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Post by hewi on Apr 21, 2015 9:07:49 GMT -8
The forms of Betta splendens are really beautiful !
I have never seen a completely yellow specimen !
Manfred
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Post by bichos on Apr 21, 2015 14:06:28 GMT -8
The forms of Betta splendens are really beautiful ! I have never seen a completely yellow specimen ! Manfred Yes I agree they are stunning indeed which is why I HAD to include them in this thread. |
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Post by bichos on Apr 21, 2015 14:07:36 GMT -8
Wow, that's quite an incredible gene pool on M. ugandensis, L. aurata, and P. memnon..... Aren't those actually Lamprima adolphinae? You're tots right nosorog L. adolphinae from PNG and Irian indeed. |
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Aren't they just simple extensions or retractions of the black spots? If you bring in Betta splendens I would raise by Poecilia reticulata, Guppy.
