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Post by oehlkew on Dec 28, 2013 8:00:50 GMT -8
Has anyone seen or can anyone recommend the Saturnafrica journals, authored by Philippe Darge, where new Saturniidae species from Africa are described?
Does anyone know where they can be ordered?
Bill Oehlke
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Post by mygos on Dec 28, 2013 8:58:12 GMT -8
I can give you Philippe Darge email per PM, or I think you can buy them from Erich Bauer in Germany !
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Post by oehlkew on Dec 28, 2013 10:29:43 GMT -8
Thanks Mygos,
Erich is only offering Saturnafrica 15 at this time. I do not think he has access to other ones, but I will check with him again as he only has #15 listed. It would be great to have a current email for Philippe.
Thanks.
Bill Oehlke
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Post by mygos on Dec 28, 2013 10:38:34 GMT -8
OK Bill I will send it to you next monday as I have it in my office only ...
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Post by africaone on Dec 29, 2013 3:51:07 GMT -8
you can order it directly to the author (Is ent you email by PM) It is extremely expansive regarding what it is  and printing quality. |
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Post by oehlkew on Dec 30, 2013 6:20:12 GMT -8
Thanks Mygos and africaone. I have ordered #15 from Erich Bauer, and will make a decision about ordering the other ones after I have seen #15.
Bill Oehlke
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Post by oehlkew on Feb 14, 2014 19:09:36 GMT -8
I received Saturnafrica Journal #15 from Erich Bauer and was pleasantly surprised by the quality of the images, much nicer than in Philippe's Saturniidae I and Saturniidae II from 1990's.
I also contacted Philippe by email, and he indicated I could order the other journals via Erich Bauer who did not have them listed on his website.
I subsequently ordered journal #'s 8, 9, 10, 11, 13, through Erich and have found the information and images in the journals quite useful. In some cases there are extensive listings (without images) of specimens collected from specific areas in Africa, based on exploratory collecting trips with images of the new discoveries.
In other instances there are images of "new species" discovered amongst the material sent for DNA barcoding analysis. Some of the new species are quite cryptic, and would be difficult to distinguish without DNA analysis.
I have been using the information to update national checklists, and am creating WLSS files for the new species where I write my own descriptions based on the images in the journals. I do not have permission to post the images in the journals, but I expect that over the years I will be able to post images submitted by photographers from various African nations and also from travelling collectors who submit their own images or from collectors who have made purchases. WLSS species files will be updated as images arrive.
I will probably purchase the earlier issues and subsequent issues when I have more funds at my disposal.
I have also been purchasing the Entomo-Satsphingia journals and recently received the last issue from 2013 where many new species from Ecuador are depicted and described. The Ecuadorian species are described by Brechlin, Kaech and Meister and include species perhaps not seen before from areas only recently explored for the first time, as well as "new species" uncovered in long standing collections as a result of submissions of samples for DNA barcoding analysis.
The Entomo-Satsphingia journals are in German and I regularly use Google Translate when I come across terms I have not yet learned, but my German is improving.
The Saturnafrica journals are in French and I regularly use Google Translate when I come across terms I have not yet learned, but my French is also improving.
Usually now as I look at an image and read the description, I can figure out what has been said. I do find the decriptions in the Saturnafrica journals more comprehensive.
Pertinent information like dates, elevations, locations, forewing lengths is not hard to decipher. The images in Saturnafrica journals (at least the one mentioned above) are much nicer than the ones in the Entomo-satsphingia journals and the Saturnafrica journals are much sturdier publications, but the number of "new species" described in each Entomo-Satsphingia journal greatly exceeds the number in each Saturnafrica journals, and the
Entomo-Satsphingia journals are far less expensive.
I welcome submission of digital images of Saturniidae from around the world for posting on WLSS. I will do my best to provide ids. All images that I post are credited to respective photographers and remain property of those photographers.
I offer free membership in World's Largest Saturniidae Site (WLSS) to anyone who provides images of species not already depicted on site. Currently close to 1500 different species are depicted in over 10,000 digital images of eggs, larvae, cocoons, pupae, adults.
Otherwise there is a one-time-life-time membership fee of $45.00 US, discounted to $30.00 for students or seniors.
There are checklists for just about every country that has Saturniidae populations.
To give some idea of the prices. The Saturnafrica journals have been 58.00 euros each plus postage:
5656 DARGE, P. 2011. Saturnafrica 8. pp. 39, 7 col. plates. 5 papers, mainly on Sphingidae and Saturniidae. 58,00 €
5757 DARGE, P. 2011. Saturnafrica 9. Saturniidae, Charaxes, Lasiocampidae, Lepdidoptera Biodiversity. pp. 27, 6 col. plates 58,00 €
5854 DARGE, P. 2011. Saturnafrica 10 pp. 33 + 5 col. plates. 58,00 €
5968 DARGE, P. 2012. Saturnafrica 13. 39 pp., 8 col. pl. 58,00 €
5967 DARGE, P. 2012. Saturnafrica 12. 41 pp. 7 col. pl. 58,00 €
5963 DARGE, P. 2012. Saturnafrica 11 58,00 €
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Entomo-Satsphingia 5(2) 44,00 Euro
Entomo-Satsphingia 6(1) 22,00 Euro
Entomo-Satsphingia 5(3) 32,00 Euro
Entomo-Satsphingia 5(2) 28,00 Euro
Entomo-Satsphingia 5(1) 26,00 Euro
Entomo-Satsphingia 4(5) 58,00 Euro
Entomo-Satsphingia 3(2) 14,00 Euro
Entomo-Satsphingia 3(1) 24,00 Euro
Shipment: 14,00 Euro
Bill Oehlke
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Post by cardgane on Jun 19, 2014 3:49:00 GMT -8
Hello Bill,
Thanks for the information on the Satsphingia and Saturnafrica. I don't seem to be getting anywhere with ordering back-issues from the editors of Satsphingia. May I ask where you purchased yours? Also, I would too like to order the Saturnafrica. Does one contact Darge for this, or there's another way? Please, advise.
Vadim Kroutov.
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Post by oehlkew on Jun 19, 2014 20:17:22 GMT -8
Vadim,
I order Entomo Satsphingia journals directly from Frank Meister.
I ordered the Saturnafrica journals from Erich Bauer.
I hope to order the most current ones again at the end of 2014.
It is late here now, but if you send me an email to remind me, I will give you the emails for both Frank and Erich.
I do not think that Erich has the Saturnafrica journals in stock, but he is able to order them either from the author or publisher and then ships them direct
Bill Oehlke
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Post by cardgane on Jun 20, 2014 4:05:16 GMT -8
Many thanks, Bill! I will send you an email.
Vadim.
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and printing quality. 