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Post by nomad on Nov 4, 2012 5:07:27 GMT -8
Hi everyone, Some time ago in this forum there was a interesting debate as to whether or not Ornithoptera paradisea arfakensis should remain as a subspecies or be given full species rank. There was I believe going to be further investigation in the field but I never saw anymore posts. If, as many say, arfakensis is only a high elevation subspecies of paradisea, what about the lowland occurrence of occidentalis from Sorong and galatea on Salawati which both show to be close affinities of arfakensis. None of the latter resemble the true paradisea found in the Doberai Peninsula subspecies chrysanthemum. Bernard d Abrera in his lavish Birdwing Butterflies of the World- 2003 separated arfakensis from paradisea and has occidentalis and galatea as subspecies of arfakensis. I would like to say that I do believe Abrera along with Oliver Schaffler is right here. The taxon arfakensis is known to have a different larva from paradisea which can be seen from the very good photograph in A Natural History of Birdwing Butterfies by Hirotaka Matsuka [2001]. It may be that because of the many irrelevant subspecies names being given to certain Ornithoptera for purely commercial gain, this may have blinded as to the fact that arfakensis has always been a good species. Peter.
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Post by simosg on Nov 4, 2012 11:43:34 GMT -8
What do you think about Deslise (2004), who does separate the species paradisea in just three subspecies (paradisea, arfakensis and chrysanthemum), each with different local forms?
Hannes
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Post by nomad on Nov 4, 2012 12:39:06 GMT -8
Hi Hannes, Thanks for the reply. I think chrysanthemum is a good subspecies of paradisea however judging from my specimens I believe a flavescens [dentanii] to also be a good subspecies. I think arfakensis is a good species with one or two subspecies which are mentioned above. Peter
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Post by kingha on Aug 11, 2015 14:18:31 GMT -8
I agree with nomad. I agree on the separation sp. arfakensis with occidentalis and galatea as subspecies as per Oliver Schaffler in butterflies of the world part 12. there has always been to many observable differences that troubled me. Read more: insectnet.proboards.com/post/new/3572#ixzz3iXyDqwQt
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Post by nomad on Aug 12, 2015 21:39:40 GMT -8
Hi Kingha
I believe that was my first post on InsectNet!!. Seems ages ago now. I still believe that is should be Ornithoptera arfakensis, the early stages and the adults are just too different. If this was not a birdwing other authors would have separated this butterfly a long time ago.
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Post by nomad on Aug 12, 2015 21:43:29 GMT -8
and I joined the post up as it should be and have slightly edited it, not sure what happened when I posted that, I got a computer much later than I should have.
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Post by africaone on Aug 12, 2015 22:10:50 GMT -8
Hi Kingha I believe that was my first post on InsectNet!!. Seems ages ago now. I still believe that is should be Ornithoptera arfakensis, the early stages and the adults are just too different. If this was not a birdwing other authors would have separated this butterfly a long time ago. just for info (as datas are not all public)... in the database of BOLD the (very) few Ornithoptera done seem to show that barcode is helpfull with them. A campain on this genus (and allied) would be helpfull to clarify some points and bring a new POV. Strange that this has not yet be done
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Post by marcingajewski on Aug 25, 2015 3:04:57 GMT -8
Hi Guys , Can someone write about paradisae Galatea ? I can't find many info about this ssp .
Thanks
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Post by nomad on Aug 26, 2015 7:56:24 GMT -8
I have been told that ssp galatea is indistinguishable from occidentalis. galatea is just another made up subspecies, they want your money.
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Post by marcingajewski on Aug 26, 2015 8:09:08 GMT -8
I have been told that ssp galatea is indistinguishable from occidentalis. galatea is just another made up subspecies, they want your money. So is l.form of occidentalis ?
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